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Rick MacArthur: "You Can’t Be President: The
Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America"
As the Democratic National Convention begins in Denver, we speak
to Harper’s publisher Rick MacArthur on his new book You
Can’t Be President. MacArthur says that the popular notion
that any American can become president only reinforces the “destructive
national delusion that widespread, up-from-the-ground, truly
popular democracy, both political and economic, really exists
in America.” To assume that, he says, is equal to believing that
Santa Claus exists.
John "Rick" MacArthur,
Publisher and president of Harper’s magazine. He is an award-winning
journalist and author of The Selling of Free Trade: NAFTA, Washington,
and the Subversion of American Democracy and Second Front:
Censorship and Propaganda in the Gulf War. His latest book
is out next month. It’s called You Can’t Be President: The Outrageous
Barriers to Democracy in America.
AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about the elections and continue
to break with convention, we now turn to a question at the core
of the American political process: Just who can become president
of this country, and just how deep is the American love for a democracy?
Most of us have been brought up on the idea any deserving US citizen
can technically reach the White House one day. We have also been
reared on the belief that Americans are duty-bound to maintaining
the democratic values of our country.
But award-winning journalist, author, publisher and president
of Harper’s magazine, John MacArthur, begs to differ. His
latest book, which comes out next month, is called You Can’t
Be President: The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America.
MacArthur says the popular notion any American can become president
only reinforces the “destructive national delusion that widespread,
up-from-the-ground, truly popular democracy, both political and
economic, really exists in America.” To assume that, he says, is
equal to believing Santa Claus exists.
John MacArthur, who is called actually “Rick” MacArthur, joins
us now from our firehouse studio in New York. This is his first
interview about his forthcoming book, You Can’t Be President.
Welcome to Democracy Now!, Rick MacArthur. Why don’t you
start off by explaining, why can’t anyone in this country who’s
an American citizen be president?
We seem to be having a microphone problem. Again, we’re going
to be going to Rick MacArthur. His book is You Can’t Be President:
The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America.
And, by the way, Democracy Now! is expanding its coverage
to two hours for this two weeks, this week in Denver and next week
in St. Paul. If your station is not broadcasting the full two hours,
you can go to our website at democracynow.org. There, you will
see the video, you can listen to the audio, and the full transcripts
will be available for both hours. In fact, we are looking for transcribers
helping us with this mammoth project, and you can just email us
at transcribe@democracynow.org if you’re interested.
But we’re going to turn right now back to Rick MacArthur with
the central question: why can’t anyone become president in the
United States, Rick MacArthur?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, one reason you can’t be president
is because not everyone could get slated by the Cook County Democratic
machine the way Barack Obama was on several occasions when he was
an Illinois politician. One of the paradoxes about Barack Obama
and the notion that he represents the American ideal that anyone
can become president is that he is sponsored by the political organization
that epitomizes one-party rule in this country, the Cook County
Democratic machine run by Richard Daley, which previously was run
by his father. I mean, this is a dynasty, a political dynasty of
fifty years, sixty years standing, that doesn’t allow people to
run just because they feel like it or because they think they have
a bright, fresh new idea. So the idea that Barack Obama represents
this ideal or epitomizes this ideal is preposterous.
I am more interested now than ever in party politics and the barriers
that the Democratic Party and Republican Party put up to prevent
independence, prevent insurgents, prevent people with differing
points of view from entering the political process. So, putting
aside all the obvious problems in the electoral system--money, the
fact that you can’t run without $300 million in the case of Obama,
maybe $10, $15, $20 million if you want to run for the Senate in
South Dakota; the electoral college system, the fact we don’t have
direct popular vote for president--people have to look at the origins
of most of these candidates. So when we talk about Barack Obama,
we have to talk about his political origins in Illinois, and they
are very interesting.
One of the chapters that I am proudest of in my book is the one
about the big box minimum wage fight in Chicago. When the argument
began about whether to let Wal-Mart come into Chicago, Mayor Daley
wanted very badly to let Wal-Mart come in. Some aldermen in Chicago
didn’t want Wal-Mart to come in, and there was a tremendous fight.
Finally, they decided to allow one Wal-Mart into the black ghetto
on the west side of Chicago, and a few alderman--actually a majority
of aldermen--finally came around to the notion that, well, if we’re
going to let Wal-Mart in, we should at least force them to pay
a decent wage, a minimum wage above the ordinary minimum wage,
because Chicago, like every other industrial city or former industrial
city in the country, is suffering from deindustrialization. People
are desperate for work. Barack Obama never took a position on the
big box minimum wage bill, because that’s not something that would
have pleased his political sponsor, who is Mayor Daley. So this
is the sort of thing that I focus on in the book.
AMY GOODMAN: Rick MacArthur, you talk a lot about the fundraising
and the historic precedent for the Obama fundraising machine. You
go back further than Howard Dean and John McCain. Explain how it
works.
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, the fundraising machine goes back--I
mean, when they banned so-called soft money, the whole--when they
banned the direct contributions of above a certain amount after
the Watergate reforms of the ’70s, the two parties had to figure
out new ways to raise money. But what they’ve done, by bundling
and political action committees and so on and so forth and going
to big business, is to arrange a system where it’s like something--it’s
a term they use in business school. They talk about barriers to
entry. In other words, a company sets up--if you want to go into
competition against the dominant company in your sector, in your
market, there are barriers to entry, and you have to analyze the
barriers to entry. The barriers to entry to politics in the United
States are--the principal one is that you cannot raise money on
the level of an incumbent congressman or an incumbent politician.
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party raise so much money
now that you or I or somebody off the street who is serious about
politics simply cannot enter the political process anymore.
Now, in the Democratic Party, this wasn’t as stark until the ’90s,
when Bill Clinton really pioneered corporate fundraising on a level
with the Republicans. He did this by, of course, supporting NAFTA
and free trade agreements that made big American corporations happy--international
financiers, commercial banks, investment banks and so on. And what
Barack Obama has done is to copy the Clintons.
Another thing that astonishes me is that no one seems to have
read his book, The Audacity of Hope. It’s all over his book
that he favors free trade, he favors--he’s very friendly with the
investment bank community, with the hedge funds, with the corporate
lawyers and so on and so forth. And these are the people--despite
the fact that he has raised a great number of small contributions
from individuals with not much money, his campaign is dominated
by the corporate and the financial sectors. He does this by saying
to people, “Look, you have nothing to fear from me. I’m essentially
sympathetic to your points of view.” And he says so in his book. The
Audacity of Hope is essentially an advertisement for his availability,
for his nonthreatening position vis-a-vis the financial community.
He says in the book at one point--he’s talking to Robert Rubin,
his new friend and Clinton’s former Treasury secretary, and he
says, “Well, you know, Bob Rubin, he’s a great guy, and it’s hard
to argue with his fundamental thesis, which is that globalization
is inevitable.” Now, this is one of the great clichés of modern
times, to say that globalization is inevitable. But in any event,
it announces to the investment bankers and the corporate lawyers
and so on, and the lobbyists, “You have nothing to fear from me.
Contribute to my campaign. I’ll be just as good on free trade as
Hillary Clinton.”
AMY GOODMAN: The names of the largest contributors to the
Obama campaign, the corporations that are most funding him?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, you’re looking at Lehman Brothers
and Citigroup, which is Bob Rubin’s--where Bob Rubin works. Goldman
Sachs is his number one banking contributor, if you put all the
bundlers together. National Amusements, I think it’s called, which
is the holding company for Viacom, is in his top ten.
When I looked at it, the first thing I noticed about Obama’s winds
of change, his breath of fresh air, was that of the top twenty
corporate and financial contributors to his campaign and Clinton’s,
eleven were the same. So where is the big difference in their approach
to politics?
The other thing that you should know about Obama is that he has
been--he goes around saying he doesn’t take money from lobbyists.
Well, it’s true that he doesn’t take money from registered lobbyists,
but only a child or a naïf would think that corporate lawyers or
Washington lawyers don’t lobby informally in front regulatory commissions
and in front of members of Congress, and Obama has been all over
the corporate law community. And he, early in his campaign, even
went down--and this is audacious, I must say--to the headquarters
of Greenberg Traurig, Jack Abramoff’s firm, the lawyers--the headquarters
of the law offices in Miami, and did a video stream fundraising
pitch, where he raised a whole bunch of money from the lawyers
who worked alongside Jack Abramoff for I don’t know how many years.
It’s absurd. It’s a distinction without a--a difference without
a distinction, I think is the way one person put it, not taking
money from corporate lawyers and refusing--or rather, not taking
money from registered lobbyists but taking money from corporate
lawyers, who in effect do the same kind of lobbying that registered
lobbyists do. And now you’re looking at a vice-presidential candidate,
Joe Biden, who’s very much in that mix.
AMY GOODMAN: You say, in addition to the largest contributors--Goldman
Sachs, UBS, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup--Obama’s sixth largest contributor
was National Amusements, Inc., the parent company of media mogul
Sumner Redstone’s Viacom and CBS empire.
RICK MacARTHUR: Right, and this is also crucially important.
You know, he’s also getting a lot of money from News Corporation.
I mean, Rupert Murdoch hedges his bets very carefully, and he was
very careful to split it down the middle between Hillary Clinton
and Barack Obama. He didn’t know which faction of the Democratic
Party was going to win this one. But he is very media-savvy, Obama,
and he knows that taking money or at least raising money from these
groups is an important--again, an important message to the media
that he’s no threat on issues like deregulation of the media and
so on.
Now, I am sure that Obama would be better than John McCain on
deregulation in the media, on FCC issues. It would be hard to be
worse than John McCain on these issues. But I’m just saying that
if people imagine that this is a reform movement represented by
Barack Obama, in terms of diversified media, in terms of reforming
the lobby system in Washington, campaign finance reform, getting
out of Iraq, which I hope we’re going to talk about in a minute,
they’re deluding themselves.
I neglected to mention that on the big box minimum wage bill back
in Chicago--and again, this is bread-and-butter Washington--excuse
me, Democratic Party labor politics--Daley prevented a big box minimum
wage from being instituted in Chicago, and there still isn’t one.
He defeated the forces of labor. He defeated the independent Democrats
in the city council, and Barack Obama has never said a word about
that issue or really said anything substantive about Wal-Mart and
their stranglehold on the wage scales in big cities all over the
country now.
AMY GOODMAN: You have a fascinating section throughout
this book: your first--the first interview done with Ned Lamont
since he ran against the now independent Senator Lieberman of Connecticut.
But before we go to that, I wanted to talk to you about the Clintons
and how money works in politics--this goes back to 2004--because
there’s a lot of talk here, Rick, in Denver about just, of course,
how much the Clintons will be supporting Barack Obama. We all know
that Hillary Clinton and John McCain are very fond of each other.
They’ve traveled together extensively. I was just in Estonia, and
they still talk about when McCain and Clinton and others in a congressional
delegation went there years ago, had a vodka drinking contest.
But can you talk about specifically, and especially around the
issue of money and these, what, 527s, what the Clintons did in
2004? Neither, of course, were running for president, but how they
were involved?
RICK MacARTHUR: Oh, well, this is essential to understanding
where we are now. Howard Dean was, I think, a genuine and authentic
independent. He was kind of a centrist or a liberal Republican,
if you look at him on the ideological scale, but he was a real
threat to the Democratic Party establishment, because he was able
to raise so much money on the internet and from small contributors.
He makes Obama look like the candidate of oligarchy, if you look
at the percentages. In terms of small contributors, Dean was the
champion.
And the Clintons had to stop this. And so, the faction around
the Clintons that wanted Kerry to lose, because Kerry had to lose
for Clinton to run in 2008, they organized a 527 group to hit Dean
in Iowa, which has never been written enough about, and they raised
money from all these Clinton loyalists, like Daniel Abraham, the
former owner of Slim-Fast, and people like that, Alan Patricof.
These are Clinton loyalists who go way back. And they did attack
advertising on Dean in Iowa, pretending he was soft on Social Security,
he couldn’t handle bin Laden, and so on and so forth. And that’s
one of the reasons they knocked Howard Dean out. There may be other
reasons, which are more complicated, but there was a concerted
effort by the Clinton faction of the party, or the Clinton--you’d
have to call it the dominant faction of the Democratic Party--to
knock out Dean in Iowa.
And this is something that you have to understand in order to
understand why Barack Obama is so cautious. He doesn’t want to
take on the central funding apparatus of the Democratic Party.
He wants to take it over. He wants to take it away from the Clintons,
and the Clintons are very, very unhappy. So, as you watch the Democratic
Party--
AMY GOODMAN: So the 527 in 2004
RICK MacARTHUR: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: The 527 in 2004 was called Americans for Jobs,
Healthcare & Progressive Values.
RICK MacARTHUR: Values, right.
AMY GOODMAN: The Clintons were behind this?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, I believe they were behind it, yes.
And I believe that it’s one of those things--it’s a wink and a nod.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be sorry, Hillary Clinton says, if somebody wanted
to organize a 527 to go after Howard Dean. And if you look at Danny
Abraham’s relationship with the Clintons, he couldn’t be closer.
I mean, he practically turned the White House into his crash pad
in Washington during the ’90s. He was Clinton’s special envoy to
Arafat and to the Israeli government. This is a guy who put $200,000
into that 527, Americans for Progressive Values, etc., etc. And
he--you cannot imagine a 527 being formed that Danny Abraham would
contribute to without him having an understanding from the Clintons
that this is something they wanted him to do. The Clintons had
to beat Dean.
And now, if you look at the fundraising, actually, in the Democratic
Party now, it’s very interesting. The Democratic National Committee
can’t raise much money, and this is partly still because they don’t
want Howard Dean to get too much leverage on the party. They want
to keep the fundraising in the hands of the party professionals--Rahm
Emanuel and Charles Schumer, the senator from New York. They don’t
want freelancers like Howard Dean coming in and stealing their
action, because more and more--
AMY GOODMAN: What’s the Club for Growth, Rick MacArthur?
RICK MacARTHUR: The Club for Growth--the interesting thing
about 2004, Iowa, is that you have not only a Democratic Party
organization going after Dean, you also have a rightwing Republican
organization going after him. Club for Growth was associated with
Tom DeLay. They also did some very nasty attack advertising with
their 527 on Dean, including the famous Volvo ad, where they’ve
got a couple of regular old folks from Iowa walking down the street
saying, “I think Howard Dean should take his Volvo-driving, latte-drinking,
so-on and so-forth, pinko friends back to Vermont, where he came
from.” And I still laugh when I think about this, because if you
know Howard Dean, if you know anything about him, he comes from
this impeccable Republican Wall Street family, Park Avenue, private
schools, Yale. You can’t come from a more establishment background
than Howard Dean, and they tried to paint him as some kind of left-wing
radical, as did the Democratic Party leadership. Evan Bayh, who
was then very much involved with the Democratic Leadership Council,
said at the time that the Democratic Party was in danger of being
taken over by left-wing radicals, Howard Dean being the principal
left-wing radical. So this is the milieu that we’re talking about
right now, where Barack Obama, he understands, if he wants to be
president, he better play ball, and if he tries to go too far--
AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to--
RICK MacARTHUR: Sorry, if he tries to go too far outside
the box--
AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Rick MacArthur. Continue
that point you said, which is--and if he goes too far, what?
RICK MacARTHUR: If he goes too far outside the box and
tries to become a freelancer, in other words, a real independent
reformer, there’s no way Barack Obama could be the nominee for
president. Absolutely inconceivable. The only hope he--
AMY GOODMAN: So why is Barack Obama giving so much play
to the Clintons? I mean, Hillary Clinton will be speaking on Tuesday.
President Clinton will be speaking on Wednesday. Her name will
be entered. There will be the vote. It’s as if it’s a Clinton convention.
RICK MACARTHUR: Well, now we’re getting into tactics. We’re
getting away from some of the other things I’m talking about. And
tactically, I think this is very stupid on the part of Obama. And
I seem to be the only person besides Dick Morris, Bill Clinton’s
former adviser, who’s saying this. The idea--in fact, Dick Morris
wrote a very funny piece the other day, saying--on his blog, saying
that if Clinton--excuse me, if Obama can’t stand up to the Clintons,
how can he stand up to President Putin of Russia? I would say that
that’s exactly right, that he has given way too much air time to
the Clintons and that Hillary Clinton has not conceded. This is
another central part of the thesis of my book, which is that this
is a factional fight within the Democratic Party. It’s not an ideological
fight, it’s a fight over power. There is very little difference
between Obama and Clinton on the big issues of the day. And the
Clintons are still running. Hillary Clinton is hoping very much
that Obama will lose and that she can present herself in 2012 on
the “I told you so” ticket. Now, you can make--you could say that--
AMY GOODMAN: Do you think they’re going to directly work
with John McCain on this?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, you’re looking--I mean, already there
have been meetings. There was a meeting up in Westchester just
a month ago between Clinton fundraisers and Carly Fiorina, the
former Hewlett-Packard chairman who’s working, I think--I don’t
know if she’s finance chairman, but she’s very involved in raising
money for McCain. Lynn Forester De Rothschild, she’s been quoted
in the papers saying that she’s not happy with the Obama fundraising
apparatus. It’s like two corporations trying to merge, and one
of the corporations doesn’t really want to be taken over. The Clinton
corporation is hoping, really, that the Obama corporation will
bankrupt itself and fall apart and that they can resume their drive
for power in four years. And again, I--
AMY GOODMAN: Rick MacArthur--
RICK MacARTHUR: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: --we have to break, but we’re going to come
back to this discussion.
RICK MacARTHUR: OK, OK.
AMY GOODMAN: He’s publisher and president of Harper’s magazine.
His new book, which is out in a week, is called You Can’t Be
President: The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America.
Stay with us.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to John MacArthur. His book
is coming out next week. It’s called You Can’t Be President:
The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America, with some
remarkable revelations.
OK, talk about Ned Lamont. It may not be a name that people know
all over this country at this point, although there was, a few
years ago, a moment when the longstanding senator, the senator
who is now supporting John McCain, perhaps even could be his vice-presidential
candidate, formerly Democrat, independent Lieberman of Connecticut,
was very threatened by this man, in fact lost the Democratic primary
to him. You had the first interview with him after his loss, Rick
MacArthur. Talk about the lessons he has learned.
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, Ned Lamont wanted to stop the war
in Iraq, as you know, and he did something--he did something truly
audacious, which was to take on Joe Lieberman in his fief in Connecticut.
Everybody told him, “Forget it. You can’t run. You’re hopeless.
It doesn’t matter how rich you are, the regular party doesn’t want
you. Why don’t you start out running for”--he told me--“Why don’t
you start running out”--the state chairman told him, “Why don’t
you start out running for tax collector, or something like that,
state assessor, and work your way up through the party?” which
is something Lamont wasn’t interested in doing.
And when he surprised everybody by beating Lieberman in the primary,
where was Barack Obama? Well, Barack Obama had already endorsed
Lieberman. He’d gone to the Jefferson-Jackson Day chairman--excuse
me, rally and banquet in Hartford and made a resounding, ringing
endorsement of Joe Lieberman and said, “This is a guy you know
you can count on. And we may have a little minor difference on
Iraq, but don’t worry, Connecticut will have the good sense to
send him back to the Senate.” Now, it was very inconvenient for
Obama and for Clinton, Hillary Clinton, that Lamont won.
So Lamont told me the story of what happened when he tried to
corral Obama to help him campaign after he won the primary. And,
of course, he put me onto some of his people, and one of his fundraisers
told me the story of how he tried to, again, corral Obama and say,
“Look, we’d like you to make an appearance with Chris Dodd and
some of the other Democratic candidates in Connecticut alongside
Lamont.” And he said, “Absolutely, maybe.” And he kept avoiding
this fundraiser and the Lamont people, and he never made an appearance
with Ned Lamont, because he didn’t want to offend Joe Lieberman
and the Democratic Party establishment in Connecticut, because
he knew they were going to win. He knew that the Republicans and
the Democrats were going to get together in Connecticut to beat
Lamont, because the Republicans didn’t want their guy to win either.
They wanted Lieberman back in. Lieberman is Bush’s best friend
on Iraq and a guy they can count on. So the Republicans put up
this stumblebum, Alan Schlesinger, who had been busted for card-counting
at some Indian casino in Connecticut. And Obama made sure that
he didn’t get--do anything to help Lamont, other than some symbolic
gestures, like Hillary Clinton. They made symbolic contributions,
but they didn’t work for him, they didn’t help him. And, of course,
Lamont lost. So Lamont told me--actually, he said--he made a little
joke. He said that Obama made sure he drove straight through Connecticut
in the middle of the night to make sure that he was never seen
alongside Ned Lamont.
Now, one thing you might be interested in knowing is that the
fundraiser I talked to, who wishes to remain anonymous, said that
the American Israel Political Action Committee had also--Public
Affairs Committee had warned candidates like Obama to stay away
from Lamont. Why they hated Lamont so much, I can’t say, because
Lamont never said anything anti-Israel, as far as I know, or even
overtly. He didn’t say anything pro-Palestinian at all. In fact,
I remember pro-Palestinian people being offended that Lamont wasn’t
taking a tougher line on Israel. All he was was anti-Iraq. He wanted
to get out of Iraq. And Obama was warned and made sure, evidently,
that he wasn’t going to do anything to help Lamont get elected.
This is, again, the paradox--
AMY GOODMAN: Why does this still matter, Rick MacArthur?
RICK MacARTHUR: Well, because if you believe that Obama
is going to get us out of Iraq, think again. The people I talk
to, the people who know the foreign policy entourage around Obama,
particularly Anthony Lake, Samantha Power, these are the conventional
Wilsonian liberal interventionists who more or less favored invading
Iraq to begin with, or at least they kept their mouths shut, or
they might have preferred to do it with more UN cooperation, more
European help, and so on and so forth. But essentially, they don’t
disagree with the premise that the Middle East, Iraq should be
democratized and that the United States should have a big footprint
there.
The former foreign minister I talked to, Latin American foreign
minister who knows Lake very well, Anthony Lake, who’s, I think,
Obama’s senior foreign policy adviser, told me that “You’re not
getting out of Iraq. Don’t kid yourself. You’re going to be in
Iraq for a long, long time.” He’s going to make symbolic gestures.
He’ll take some combat brigades out, and so on and so forth, but
you’re talking about a more or less permanent military presence
in Iraq. I hope I’m wrong on this one. I really hope I’m wrong.
But realistically, if you look at Obama’s behavior vis-à-vis Lieberman
and Lamont, it’s not very hopeful. Lieberman is the lynchpin now
in the Senate. I mean, if Lieberman decided to switch to the Republican
caucus, the Democrats lose control of all the committees. And this
is a guy, essentially, that Obama backed, either openly or tacitly.
And he’s the most ferocious pro-interventionist in the Senate.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to go back, Rick MacArthur, to what
you just--Rick MacArthur, I want to go back to what you just said.
Anthony Lake, top foreign policy adviser to Obama, saying we’re
not getting out of Iraq anytime soon--
RICK MacARTHUR: No, no, no. My friend--
AMY GOODMAN: --when Obama has said--
RICK MacARTHUR: Lake is not saying that. My friend who
knows Lake very well, who used to be a foreign minister, a Latin
American foreign minister, knows Lake fairly well--very well, and
says that this is all smoke and mirrors, you’re not getting out
of Iraq.
Now, again, I hope that I’m wrong. I hope that circumstances dictate
that we’ll get out of Iraq and that Obama will see the wisdom in
following through on his promise. But realistically, if you look
at the politics behind it and the way he’s behaved up to this point,
his votes on Iraq were identical to Hillary Clinton’s. He never
voted to cut off funding, except once, when it was safe and he
was courting the antiwar vote. This is not an antiwar militant.
This is not a guy--and on top of that, he’s saying, “Let’s trade
in Iraq for Afghanistan. Let’s up the ante in Afghanistan. Let’s
send more troops to Afghanistan,” which to me is madness. Afghanistan
is even more hopeless than Iraq. And this is, again, a tactical
move that Obama is employing to look like he’s tough on foreign
policy and willing to fight terrorism in the four corners of the
world.
AMY GOODMAN: Rick MacArthur, as we wrap up this discussion,
then do you hold out any hope? I mean, you’re presenting a very
dismal picture.
RICK MacARTHUR: I don’t have a lot of hope right now, but
I’ll tell you, there’s one hopeful chapter in my book, You Can’t
Be President. Unfortunately, the woman I talk about in this
chapter is not running for president. Her name is Connie Harding
of Portsmouth, Rhode Island. And I put this chapter in specifically
to give people hope, to show them that they shouldn’t sit around
worrying about so much about who’s going to be president and whether
they themselves could become president, but they should try to
seize control of their community or the big issues in their community.
Connie Harding single-handedly organized a group in Portsmouth,
Rhode Island, which calls itself the birthplace of American democracy,
to stop a Target big box from coming into the town, ruining it.
It would have been right across the street from her house. She
beat back, with citizen participation--
AMY GOODMAN: Rick, tell the story in fifteen seconds.
RICK MacARTHUR: In fifteen seconds--she fought back with
all her neighbors. All the citizens of Portsmouth rose up and beat
back this big box initiative, beat back the real estate developers
and forced the Portsmouth city, town council to do the right thing.
This is democracy in action. This is the sort of thing that gives
me hope. Barack Obama does not give me hope. Connie Harding gives
me a lot of hope.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, we’re going to have to leave it there.
Rick MacArthur, the publisher and president of Harper’s magazine,
has written a new book. It’s out next week. It’s called You
Can’t Be President: The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America.
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